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    Wurine Guard is the buff extension one but it won't extend ticks any further than one for HoTs, need a 50% buff extend focus for that to happen and they don't exist yet!

    Nizrenan I am curious so pardon me if I get this wrong, but did you factor in Specialisation Alteration and the benefits of +12% alteration for mana conservation? I'm at college atm so I can't download the database nor check the one I have at home, I forgot to see.

    SCM3 does not conserve mana on Promised Renewal (no focus be it by AA or worn can affect this spell) but Specialisation Alteration is the only thing that will reduce its mana cost. That is:

    250 Specialisation Alteration = (((250/20)+1)/100) if you do the base conservation formula as Base*(1-(Spec Alt value+SCMValue)) for the fixed amount conserved before MP foci which always gets the base cost truncated- usually down iirc. Or in other words, 13.5% conserved by Spec Alteration (every point matters now in Specialisation, its no longer 20 = 1% or nothing at all).

    250+8% mod = 270 or = (((270/20)+1)/100), or in other words 14.5% fixed conservation just from Spec Alteration.

    250+12% mod = 280 or = (((280/20)+1)/100), or in other words 15% fixed conservation just from Spec Alteration.
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    Oh jeez...see this is why I never post on these boards! haha I have my own spreadsheet that I use to keep track of my gear and foci...did the boots from DK at one time have zombie and was the old zombie changed to wurine guard? It's been a while since I've checked everything on my spreadsheet to make sure it was accurate, guess it's time to do that again!

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    Boots were labelled with Zombie Malaise but in reality it was Wurine Guard all along, they just swapped the names on zombie/wurine foci. You mean DP tho, DK is detri mana prez

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    You're right again! lol sheesh

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    Wurine Guard is the buff extension one Smile but it won't extend ticks any further than one for HoTs, need a 50% buff extend focus for that to happen and they don't exist yet!
    Are you sure about that? Wurine Guard is 35% extension, and yes, typically it will only extend by 1 tick (which any/all increase of 25% or higher will do ) but if say, someone has SCR2 with 15% and Wurine Guard's 35%? That should total 50% and thus make HoT's 6 ticks, where as aa extensions alone would leave it at 4. I know I wish I had Wurine Guard on me as I only have SCR2 atm.

    Nizrenan I am curious so pardon me if I get this wrong, but did you factor in Specialisation Alteration and the benefits of +12% alteration for mana conservation? I'm at college atm so I can't download the database nor check the one I have at home, I forgot to see.
    Y'know... I never even considered that... Gimme a bit to think about the best way to implement it. Probably a place to type in your skill value beside the SCM AA's I think.

    250 Specialisation Alteration = (((250/20)+1)/100) if you do the base conservation formula as Base*(1-(Spec Alt value+SCMValue)) for the fixed amount conserved before MP foci which always gets the base cost truncated- usually down iirc. Or in other words, 13.5% conserved by Spec Alteration (every point matters now in Specialisation, its no longer 20 = 1% or nothing at all).
    That formula works and is accurate from skill 1 all the way up to max? And what's the current Max?
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    My statement was on the assumption that one had SCRM (thus the innate 50% buff extension) which + 35/40% is 85/90% extension and for a 4tick base spell to reach 8 ticks, it would have to be 50% or a 45% focus + 5% buff extension potion. However 5 ticks, any combination to equal 25% extension, 6 ticks 50% extension and so on

    Current max on specialisation is 250 before any mods at 75, one could consider that 20 points = 1% still, but since every point matters now, 1 point = 0.05% conservation of a spell.

    But yes, that formula should apply so something along the lines of:

    (1-(((((your specialisation skill)*1.specialisation mod)/20)+1)/100)) = factor to multiply mana base to have the base mana cost pre foci, then you can simply implement that with focal differences etc. I'll try to see how I did it in my spreadsheed.

    That may have too many brackets, but should be ok.
    Last edited by Lluianae; 09-28-2006 at 02:36 PM.

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    My statement was on the assumption that one had SCRM (thus the innate 50% buff extension) which + 35/40% is 85/90% extension and for a 4tick base spell to reach 8 ticks, it would have to be 50% or a 45% focus + 5% buff extension potion. However 5 ticks, any combination to equal 25% extension, 6 ticks 50% extension and so on
    Ok, good to know, I had read your statement as if the max benefit of Wurrine Guard was 1 tick regardless of extension %, which of course, didn't seem right .

    (1-(((((your specialisation skill)*1.specialisation mod)/20)+1)/100)) = factor to multiply mana base to have the base mana cost pre foci, then you can simply implement that with focal differences etc.
    Ok, so what are the potential modifiers to Specialization?
    I'll need a list and if it's adding skill points on the top or %'s

    I'm in new territory here... never looked into specializations before.

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    Lluianae, I sent you a PM with what I believe are the neccissary changes, can you look it over and see if it calcs properly?
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    Default Re: Healing Efficiency Chart lvl 60-70

    Am I correct with the understanding that spcializations only give you a chance of reducing the amount of mana used for a spell?
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    Not a chance, fixed every time

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    Hehe, I just wanted to be sure, as it's all new to me.

    Anyway, Version 7 is now out and makes use of Specialization Alteration skill, with modifiers (thanks Lluianae). And Promised Renewal's manacost is effected now by only that.

    Here's a screen of the chart

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    I think I may be a little confused...ok so my skill in specialization is 100 which was the cap but what is the modifiers? Where do I find them on my toon? Sorry if I seem dumb. I just never even really thought about specialization after I got it to the cap.
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    Default Re: Healing Efficiency Chart lvl 60-70

    Specialisation Modifiers appear on mostly raid gear (although you could always get the 15% alteration mask from Servitor of Luclin, unless I screwed up what classes can use!) and they look like-

    Skill mod: Specialisation Alteration + 12%

    Btw its looking good Nizrenan )
    Last edited by Lluianae; 09-29-2006 at 11:17 AM.

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    Well now I really do feel dumb...LOL....I have seen them but don't have any. Thanks for explaining.
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    Ooh... I like that weap!

    ... drools...

    Now, just for clarification... Modifiers don't stack right? Like haste items, the highest one is used, ignoring the lesser, correct?

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